Are we primarily sexual beings? If all other things were equal would we spend most of our time pursuing sexual encounters and experimenting with different partners of either sex?
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SeasideMan
Pro - Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 09:16:21
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 09:44:13
Good morning Tom-yes the tri bit is a pun on try as well
I think I was also hinting at a third stage in our evolution.
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malakeas
Pro - http://www.blog.co.uk/user/malakeas
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 10:29:07
I think that we are programmed biologically to reproduce as a species to order to keep ourselves going but I for one, need some other activities in my day as well.
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 11:47:06
Thanks for mentioning biological programming but these days it seems more and more people are being freed from this urge and sex has become about leisure rather than reproduction. x
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:09:01
was sex ever about lesiure? even in ancient rome people grew tired of sex and pursued other activies
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ohtralala
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 10:54:30
Biologically we grow and develop and reach a stage of sexual maturity. In the nature of things that stage flowers then fades. Obviously needs vary but, as malakeas says, we need other things too. Animals, plants, books the world is not limted in variety...
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 11:51:02
I accept what you say about there being a cyclical flow but it appears as if our whole lives are predicated on sex and that it is becoming a major driving force as society evolves.
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ohtralala
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 13:06:24
oh definitely ... sex sells and selling is the force!!
Looking for a new car I found the descriptions of many included 'sexy' ... Sexy?? I want it to get me around and would it bring me a cup of tea in the morning?
I used to take Saga magazine but stopped it because I got really fed up with being encouraged to concentrate on my looks ..... Now look what you've done stmss!! You've got me wuzzing again!!!!!!-
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 13:25:57
Wuzz away-you're among friends.
But is sex such a dominant force?
Or is it a spent one?
Is advertising merely behind the times?
In Western society a lot of us have leisure and income beyond our wildest dreams but how are we using it?
Very few of us seem to be expending our energies on sex.
Boot sales,computing,gaming,shopping are just a few of the other preoccupations of our age.
Some people even visit bridges I hear
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ohtralala
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 15:17:12
Sex will always be a dominant force - of nature - I do not know how it is privately dealt with but it still seems prevalent in advertising ... in fact it seems to be getting even more lurid....
As for people who visit bridges - well there is no hope for some - just stay well clear!!!!-
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 16:55:02
what's with bridges?is that a new perversion that hasn't reached my part of the world yet?
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ohtralala
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 18:44:18
Ha ha very funny!! No, I was just commenting that as one ages physical drives naturally dimish and other interests take over... for example an interest in bridges, old buildings and so forth..
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sarangijibt
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 15:42:35
If we all had all the sex attributes, meaning all male and female attributes, things would be as they are.
The one who needs sex for causing pleasure would still like to excite his partner more than doing it with his own "things".
The one who likes sex because he likes to harm would also still do this (rape).
The one not interested in sex would still shrug.
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 09:39:14
Thank you for your comment. Is interest in sex still a predominantly "male" issue?
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:06:49
is rape about doing harm or about power over others?
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sarangijibt
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 22:12:04
I can't imagine, as I have never done this.
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 16:56:30
of course you haven't, i was just saying that a lot of people say that rape isn't about sex at all,but having power over someone else
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sarangijibt
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 21:08:45
I agree a far as it is concerned with warfare. In this case evidently it was used as repression tool, to demoralize the enemy;for instance in the slav wars and in Africa.
In these cases it was done for doing harm and for exercising power over others.
In cases of intermarriage rape I'd say it is a profound abuse of human rights, a use of force dominated by sex, unwilling to understand the wife and her wishes or her body's functions.
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Miza-T
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 16:25:33
Well, we should not forget that we are animals and that sex is a natural act of...ahem..relief
that all animals need.
And animals don't really care where they find their relief, do they??
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 09:41:28
A good point Miza thank you-but a lot of people seem to have no interest in sex and spend all their time doing something else. Is the urge purely hormonal?
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Miza-T
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 10:26:34
This is where the fact that we are rational animals comes to show.
The reason some people don't have an interest in sex are complex. Just like us human beings.
It could because of a trauma (sometimes not diagnosed), it could be because of religious education, it could be because someone never had the opportunity to feel pleasure, because they were unfortunate to find the wrong partner.
I personaly know women who told me they've never been naked in front of their husband! Sex was just a way of procreation, a burden, where they went to bed, open their legs and were penetrated to please their husband!
Irrational animals don't feel guilty, don't have emotional issues and naturally explore the best way to feel pleasure.
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 15:40:20
I think you are right when you say about rationality affecting how we feel about sex.
It seems that we are approaching a time when a woman's right to sexual pleasure is accepted.
It is confusing to me that this coincides with a time where "plastic" images (Barbie)of what woman looks like are popular with men and women. -
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- http://www.timwade.wordpress.com
- Friday, 06. Nov, 2009 @ 00:32:03
One thing to keep in mind about sex is that dopamine is released in the brain as a pleasure drug beginning with thought and arousal. Orgasm completes the pleasure cycle satisfying most men for up to three days and my wife for about a year, but that is another issue altogether.
The point is that the brain is a chemical buffet. When someone has sex the buffet opens for business. But many other things also turn on the open for business sign. For example, while sex triggers the release of dopamine, other things like cigarettes, heroine, and even a big meal can do the same thing. For this reason a woman who craves the feeling of being secure will quite often prefer a romantic walk with her mate while holding hands only to then come home to an arousing box of chocolates.-
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Friday, 06. Nov, 2009 @ 08:28:23
Thank you Tim, indeed where would we be without those serotonins?
However, it is strange to me that if we visualise a life of leisure where no guilt or shame is attached to sex,enough material wealth so we have food, shelter and comfort that sex is not on the top of the agenda.
We find other ways to fill our time including shopping,eating,drinking and going out.
Could it be that prosperity has made us all asexual?
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- http://www.timwade.wordpress.com
- Friday, 06. Nov, 2009 @ 13:38:23
stmss, your question has made me stop and think. It is a really good question. My problem with your question, however, is the Atlantic ocean as I try to filter my answer through our differences in culture. I have to ask myself if we are talking about basic human need common to all mankind, or if our environment determines the answer to such a prolific question.
First, I would have to say that the homeless person desires sex just as much as anyone regardless of where he lives. But by virtue of being homeless such a person can not afford to focus on sex since survival is dependent on the next meal and not the next orgasm. (Please overlook my crude verbiage.)
On the other hand, when a person is prosperous he or she does not have focus on physical survival, therefore sex becomes an affordable option. As such it becomes an elective, with the one exception being addiction. As an addiction sex fulfills a need, but as an elective it becomes a past time, a hobby of sorts from which a person is able to derive pleasure as much as any other activity.
But I would assert that sex has the means to become addictive, and therefore a toy for those who can afford it. As such, pornography has become to the world of sex the alternative to illicit relationships much like cigarettes became the alternative to fine hand-wrapped cigars. Still like anything to which one can become addicted, there is always the reality of enslavement.
So what is my point? I'm not sure I have one except to say that prosperity affords us the option to became addicted to something that was meant for good. Look at Americans for example. We are free people who eat like pigs and live in our huge houses, and are killing ourselves in the name of the American dream. In other words, we pick our poisons not our passions.
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conspiror
- http://maleist.blog.co.uk
- Monday, 26. Oct, 2009 @ 17:58:17
To be honest,the animals tend to have sex only in breeding season,while we humans hump away all year roud
In that context they have better control of this particular urge than us
Sex comes in the same catagory as earning money and eating food.It is a necessity for multiple reasons.Breeding is one,but leasure is also a reason for sex.
We humans are programmed to be attracted towards the substance and material which we dont have.Hence the attraction between men and women.
But same as consumption of food and earning money,it is ou choice to devote our lives to it,or treat it as a necessity of secondary nature.
Same about the way sex is performed.What are our guidelines and from where our standards come,does effect our judgment of right and wrong.There is no absolute right or absolute wrong,it all depends on our frame of referrence,and from where we adapt our standards.If we take it from media,then as ohtralala mentioned,even cars have to be sexy.
At the same time,all our necessities can be harmful if they enter the ream of greed.Food,wealth and sex,all can lead us to greed,if we dont put barriers for ourselves.The barrier may be Religion,or it may be just shame and ethics,or a mixture of all.
In my faith,we are asked to keep our shame alive.Shameless person has no barriers and no limits.-
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 15:32:02
Thank you conspiror for some very good points.
I was fascinated by the comment, "We humans are programmed to be attracted towards the substance and material which we dont have"
I have not heard that before and would like to hear more please.
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Miza-T
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 16:09:33
You say that first sentence because you haven't met my dog!!
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:10:20
sounds like we don't want to meet your dog!
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conspiror
- http://maleist.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 16:44:13
Its a rather complicated concept,but i can try to simplify.We being creatures of earthly materials are prone to be affected by material things.Leisure of Sex is a materialistic urge.The bits and bobs that the opposite gender has,and we dont,always attract us.Same is the hormones,scents and other chemicals secreted be the opposite gender.That too attracts us towards the opposite gender.Same about othe meterials,the rare and good looking ones are attractive for us,such as gold diamond,cars,buildings abd wealth in general.
Men and women were once one unit,and then seperated.This is indicated in the religious concept that Eve was born from the right Rib cage of Adam,but with a different characteristics.
Mythology says that is a reson for the male female attraction.
The programming thing is about a chakra or in islam Latifa.Its the'impulsive self' (Nafse Ammara).It is a force within us which makes us to fulfill our desires,good or bad.All creatures have got this.We being the ones with conscience are supposed to go against our impulsive self.How much we should go against our selves? It again depends upon the frame of referrence we beleive in.
In sufi islam,the ultimate goal is to completely subdue the Impulsive self,by overcoming it by one's own powerful soul.At that point no extra urge of the physical body is needed to be fulfilled,but the bare necessities to comply with the requirements of Shariah,as shariah laws govern physical world,and one's physical being.Shariah asks us to feed and care for our body to atleast the extent where life can be sustained.For a person who's soul has overcome the physical body,a heap of gold is nothing more than rubbish,or a group of young willing and attractive women or men is no more than an ineffective distraction.-
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 18:10:28
Is it possible that procreative sex to be elevated into something more sacred than just an impulse?
After all,it brings the material and spiritual body into the world.
When I envisaged a world where all things are equal I saw one where religion and spirituality had no bearing on sex.
Given a world where we are free would we just perceive sex as any other leisure activity? Would we spend a lot of time pursuing it? Would a man's response be different from a woman's?-
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safriz
- http://www.conspiror.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 21:13:32
It all depends upon one's frame of referrence or source of referrence.Almost anything or activity can be made sacred.Actually there was a religion in south india,and it was all about sexual intercourse.The ruins of erotic temples still exist in southers india.
Sex initiates a certain phenomena which causes birth of new life,but its a chain of inter twined mechanisms and events that recreates life.not sex alone.Fertility,fertilization,the capacity of men and women to produce sperms and eggs,all are equally contributing factors towards new life.If one is missing,new life wont be created.
REligion promotes spirituality,and performing sex does not add to anyone's spiritual powers,or does it? Thats why it is seen as a necessity or a leisure if performed in the right way with ligitimate partner,and not a purely religious or spiritual act.It stand in the line of taking good food.Now and again we get the craving for certain type of food,and it supports our physical and spiritual being,but it cannot be considered as a central ritual of an spiritual or religious practice.
About freedom,yes if theer are no barriers and nothing to stop us,our temptation will lead us to more and more sex.
One thing i will point out here.Although i say that sex is in the catagory of having good food,in the leisure sense.But the urge of having sex or the impulse is a bi product of thoughts and a perpetually full stomach.Thats why it is recommended to go hungry occasionally,and anorexic people have the least sex drive.-
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 09:15:52
Thank you safriz-in ancient Greece and Rome sex was also considered to be part of the sacred ritual of life and temples existed to promote this idea.
I don't know whether the act of sex promotes spirituality or spiritual power although our pagan,witch,wicca friends may be able to tell us if it is part of their sacred worship as nature is embraced in their beliefs (and what is more natural than sex?).
I had no idea that there was a link between food consumption and sexual drive. You would think that if you have eaten a lot you wouldn't have the energy but I suppose the same is true if you eat to little.
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WildWitch
- Thursday, 29. Oct, 2009 @ 15:49:00
Sex can be used in ritual, some of us practise sex magic, tantric sex and even astral sex.
Its down to the individual though and many pagans/wiccans i have known have chosen not to take part in this act, while some only wish to practise it with their partners.
The act of sex is not a neccesary part of ritual or even being pagan, but can be used as a part of ritual providing other individuals are in agreement. -
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:05:21
what do you mean by all things being equal?
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:59:13
Thank you for the question CwW. I meant that if we didn't have to worry about the mundane in life;earning a living,looking after ourselves etc;
In other words, if we had a life of freedom and choice,woud sex be our prime concern?-
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 16:53:08
sex is sold to as being the be all and end all but it is a small percentage of our current lives and i can't see that ending if society strictures ended.
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 17:11:42
sorr i have just read it again do you mena that we are nor heterosexual or homosexual by nature but by choice?
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stmss
- http://hopechild1.blog.co.uk
- Tuesday, 27. Oct, 2009 @ 18:01:42
Who knows what we would be in a world of infinite choice and no constraint (our world being equal).
Would we choose to experiment from curiosity or boredom?
Or would we be unable to move away from our original inclinations?-
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ChurchwithoutWalls
- http://churchwithoutwalls.blog.co.uk
- Wednesday, 28. Oct, 2009 @ 16:59:06
it is a tricky one because how much are we conditioned by the world but i don't see how if someone finds having sex with their own gender repellent it will change however much lesisure time there is
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WildWitch
- Thursday, 29. Oct, 2009 @ 15:37:56
Only just noticed this thread, but in my opinion providing its all consenting adult humans involved, health and safety taken into account then yeah, ill try it.
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Tri-sexual - you mean we'll try anything sexual?